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Question First oil change 2011 700- Looking at old oil.

I changed the oil and filter in our 2 700 machines last week (120 miles and 10 hours) After draining the oil i was looking in the drain pan and noticed a lot more metal particles than I would have expected. Maybe the transmission clutch and whatnot but just wondering what others see when changing their oil- thanks in advance!
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i dont think that sounds good but i paid the stealership to do the first maint. i am sure the more exp guys will chime in on this

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X2, crapped out and had the dealer do it prearrange at purchase. From other engine break-in experience, there will be some particals from engine wearing in.

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saw some in mine early on also, even used another quart and flushed the pan out. Don't hit the panic button yet. Wish a good mechanic could explain where these shavings come from?


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Slap a magnet on your earl filter. Next change cut the filter open and see what's there. There will always be a little bit. I think the first couple changes will have a little more than expected. I'd also change it sooner the first few times for that reason.

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Hoping the fact that both machines oil looked the same is an indication that things are normal- just to be safe i'll change it Saturday after we ride Friday. Got Valvoline ATV oil for 3.29 QT so it wont hurt too bad. (also got the Bosch filters I learned about here!) - I post what I find Saturday/Sunday. Thanks!
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Its just the parts wearing together. Thats why the first change is early.
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Mate you will most time find a small amount of fillings on the first change thats another resone why they run the thinner oil before first service to help pick em up by the time you drop the oil out again you should be next to none it just the parts beding in

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Its normal, I do oil changes all the time on yamahas, most of the smaller/older engines had a cleanable metal screen filter....its scary what you will find on those things..LOL. I'll get a 1990 timberwolf 250 in that still gets metal buildup on the cleanable oil filter, thats why they are there.
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I hate when the poster doesn't let you know how things turned out, so here it goes!
I changed the oil again tonight- about 50 miles since my first oil change. No significant metal in the oil. You guys were correct, just break in material. I would guess transmission and engine are good to go! We ride Sunday! Wooooooooo-hooooooo!


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Slap a magnet on your earl filter. Next change cut the filter open and see what's there. There will always be a little bit. I think the first couple changes will have a little more than expected. I'd also change it sooner the first few times for that reason.
I just got a grizz but educate me, the drain plug doesn't have a magnet to catch metal?

Your idea is a very good idea if they don't. As far as finding shavings in the oil, I hope that's not normal. If it is your second idea is also a very good idea.

Can't believe the plug doesn't (if) come with a magnetic tip for catching any metal. It's not a new idea by any means.
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Doesn't need a metallic drag plug as it has a filter but very normal for the first change to have some particles on it. All part of the normal break in procedure.

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Doesn't need a metallic drag plug as it has a filter .
Your car/truck has magnetic plugs in the engine and drive train, both have filters. I understand break in, but this isn't 1950. Machining has come a long way. I don't think shavings are a good thing, dust yes, but not shavings. You make shavings with a plane and dust with a sander, I can see dust but not curled up pieces of metal. One of those curled up pieces of metal can ruin a cylinder wall, dust will wear it down.

It maybe normal, but I don't have to like it.
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That's right so shavings shouldn't be normal anymore. Some of my tools require custom cutters be made. I can get them traditionally cut out and ground or get them cut out with an electrified hair that literally leaves the cut, polished saving me the time of getting them there. Yamaha's, Honda's and the like have really stepped up and made some quality vehicles and I don't expect the parts they make to need grinding down. They pay millions upon millions for cnc machines, them parts should be coming out perfect match's. If anything these days it's got to be the metal that's the weak link. With all the recycled (multi blended) metals and crap, metals aren't what they used to be. Add in the constant desire to reduce the weight and you get metals that can't take the changes they encounter. If one swells up more than another you get shavings.

Roads also have degrees of pure material that must be used. When they don't things like buckling happen and the life of the road greatly reduced. You see them grinding down roads often now. They're not supposed to use too much of that in the new asphalt.

Like I said, I don't have to like it, but if people just accept things the manufacturer won't have anything new to convince people they can make a better Edsel.
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