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post #1 of 40 Old 12-27-2013, 07:40 PM Thread Starter
 
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2013 brute force 650 sra vs 2013

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I'm new to the site and i need help choosing between the brute 650sra and the grizzly 700 I like to mud but I don't do much on peanut butter mud and I'm not going to snorkel it so IRS is not a big must have. Im not really into IRS cause it a litte more up keep then the sra so the reason I like the grizzly is yamaha makes a good bike. Anyway I like the unbelivible power of the brute but don't know if the grizz will feel like that also will brute be as reliable as the grizzly thanks any opinions are appreciated
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(IMO) When looking at the 650 sra and grizzly 700, the power is really similar, you can youtube some vids and they run really close. If I were you i would defiantly go grizzly. There super reliable, tons of aftermarket parts for them and I believe they will be better in the mud then a sra 650 brute (ground clearance!!) Also grizzly look alot better then the brutes (imo)
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The brute force will be more powerful and the reliability is pretty good on the sra brute's.

The grizzly will ride more comfortably and get better gas mileage. There really is not that much extra maintenance with an IRS quad. The only thing you have to worry about is cv boots on the back that could possibly rip.

If I was you I would get a grizzly 700 just because the 650sra is outdated. It's like buying a quad from 2003 with updated plastic. A better comparison would be the brute 650i vs grizz 700.

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Well I got to looking at the 700 and 8899 is alot to digest I'm really wanting to stay around the 7000 range
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When I said 7000 range I meant 7 to 8000 at the most
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OK..I'll be the black sheep...

You should be able to find a leftover Brute 750 EPS (IRS) for under 8K. Keep looking.

I will say this...the Brute is pretty much guaranteed to put a smile on your face...the Grizz...not so much.

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OK..I'll be the black sheep...

You should be able to find a leftover Brute 750 EPS (IRS) for under 8K. Keep looking.

I will say this...the Brute is pretty much guaranteed to put a smile on your face...the Grizz...not so much.

just my .02
I will second this statement. Find a 2012 brute 750 hiding somewhere and it will be real close to 8k. The grizzly isn't a slouch in the power department though. Simple mods like shim and 450 weights go a long ways. It's just not as "instant" as a brute is. Both good bikes, brute needs a little more lovin then the grizzly does though, but the excitement is worth it.
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Are the brute sra more reliable than the 750 brute
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Honestly, I haven't heard of many reliability issues with new brutes from '12 on. When I was looking the difference in cost between the 650 and 750 wasn't a whole lot so the 750 made more sense to me. If you're trail riding get the IRS. If your using it for work, then perhaps the SRA may be a better choice.

I like the grizz, but it has no fun factor for me (in the 550). It runs ok, but I need the instantaneous throttle of the Kawi. I only trail ride, so rocketing from corner to corner is what I want. The ride on the grizz is definitely better. The brute is...well...a brute. But you cannot beat the low end snap of the vtwin. The grizz 700 is no slouch, but I leave my friends on their grizz 700's in the dust.

The other things I like on the brute are a park brake and the diff lock lever. I really dislike the grizz diff lock. You have to stop to engage it. Screw that, I'd rather just pull the lever on the fly if needed. Also, the grizz racks are complete junk and they are a pita to fill with gas. The fuel cover does not open far enough out of then way.

I don' t see that there is really any more maintenance needed on the brute as opposed to others. Belt deflection is key, and pretty easy to do. I think the brute is easier to work on ( compared to the grizz). At least that is what I think. Others on here will undoubtedly disagree.

Test drive both if you can. Let your seat of the pants decide which is best for you. I got my brute last year for under 8k. I had them throw in an extended warranty too (5year) for another $500. The brutes also come with decent stock aluminum wheels. The stock tires are light, but should last you a year. I never got stuck with them and never got a flat...and it's rocky here.

Best of luck to you in your decision. They are both great machines with good and not so good points. Don't let anyone tell you what you need to buy. It's your money.


Edit. I don't put any stock in what people say about this machine vs that machine breaking down etc. all I can tell you is that I have both the grizz and the brute. Granted, my wife's grizz is a 550, not a 700. They are exactly the same machine with a little less low end on the 550. It runs strong above about 15 mph, but is much noisier engine wise under throttle and nowhere near as smooth as the vtwin.

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Are the brute sra more reliable than the 750 brute
Yes, they have the same motors as the old prarie's. The bf 650 sra has cast iron coated cylinders unlike the 650i and 750 with aluminum nikasil coated cylinders. There is a person with 40k miles on the sra motor and it hasn't been rebuilt.

The 650 sra also has struts up front instead of dual a-arms.

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oh, here is a user review on the 650. Its a great write up, probably a bit biased, but I would have to agree with it...

Roody's reviews, thoughts and ramblings: Review & Opinion: The Kawasaki Brute Force

you may also want to post your question about sra's on brute central or kawieriders...

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Google search Brute Force engine and see what pops up. They seem to have more than their share of major engine trouble. The heads are a problem area. My experience: Air cooled Kawasaki= good. Liquid cooled Kawasaki= bad.

My Grizzly has 3,800 trouble-free miles. My stock Brute 750 didn't make it past 900 miles before mixing its own oil and coolant.

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If you sit on a grizz 700 seat then sit on a brute seat you'd hear a thud.. It'll be your butt hitting a super hard board like seat.
I've owned 3 brutes and now I have a 700 grizzly eps... Yes the brute will spank the grizz in the power department. The brute winds up like its running on jet fuel, but that's where the fun stops for me. It's rough and hard to steer. They are tough except for front A-arm bushings within the first 3-400 miles.
Their belts are good if you keep on top of belt adjustments ( buy the puller and learn to do it yourself... Takes about 50 mins when your familiar with it.)
BUT... Just nowhere as comfy as the grizz.


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If you sit on a grizz 700 seat then sit on a brute seat you'd hear a thud.. It'll be your butt hitting a super hard board like seat.
I've owned 3 brutes and now I have a 700 grizzly eps... Yes the brute will spank the grizz in the power department. The brute winds up like its running on jet fuel, but that's where the fun stops for me. It's rough and hard to steer. They are tough except for front A-arm bushings within the first 3-400 miles.
Their belts are good if you keep on top of belt adjustments ( buy the puller and learn to do it yourself... Takes about 50 mins when your familiar with it.)
BUT... Just nowhere as comfy as the grizz.


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The new '12 and up brute's seat is very similar to the grizzly's seat now. A-arm bushings are no longer an issue either. True they don't ride as smooth as a grizzly does, but I believe dag1401 liked how my brute handled corners at speed better and also felt that my EPS was a bit lighter then his grizzly. As you said, the belt adjustment is easy, and if maintained and adjusted to spec it will last quite a while.

Again, I don't think me and DD are arguing for the brute over the grizzly, but they also are given a name much worse then they deserve.
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I ride a 550. My buddies both have a 2012 700 and a 2012 750 brute. I love the 2012 brute. It puts a huge smile on my face every time I ride it. I would buy one over a 2013 or older grizzly 700. I'd like to try a 2014 Grizzly 700 before making a decision between the two. Kawi is now offering a Teryx with a bigger motor and Fox podium shocks. Maybe next year they will offer the brute with the bigger motor and podiums.

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