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97 kodiak 400 4x4 shifting problems

Hi I just got a 97 kodiak 400 4x4 that I picked up for 120 bucks. If you jump it it fires right up and runs really good but when you put it in gear and go it only has first gear 2-5 is like there is nothing there. You shift and it feels like it goes in gear but then there's nothing there. I'm new to 4 wheelers and hoping someone can point me in the right direction.
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How positive does first gear engage? Is there any slippage detected? What about reverse?
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First kicks in good and no slipping at all. And as for the reverse I had to undo the brake safety due to it being stuck but it goes in fine only
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I'm not too familiar with that era Kodiak, but the tranny looks very similar to a lot of the semi-auto utility Honda's. So how do you get it to operate in reverse? Put foot shifter in N and then sub-transmission in 'R'?

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Need to know what model of transmission you have. Is it the dual range (hi and lo) or the simple 5-speed only? Both were available in 1997.
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Need to know what model of transmission you have. Is it the dual range (hi and lo) or the simple 5-speed only? Both were available in 1997.
In the US, multiple OEM parts websites only show the one with H-L-R being available in 1997.

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Not sure on the model but it has the high, low, and reverse but it also has the gear shift on the left side with the shift pattern for n-5
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Not sure on the model but it has the high, low, and reverse but it also has the gear shift on the left side with the shift pattern for n-5
Just for sanity, check to make sure the foot shift lever isn't bent or interfering with anything that could prevent it from moving through its full stroke.

The great part about semi-automatic trannies is how reliable they are. They downside to them is that when something goes wrong, it's internal and that leaves you to removing the whole engine and splitting the cases.

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The shift lever isn't bent I had just checked that a bit ago. I had a guy from work tell me to pull the right side cover and check everything in there. Dont really know what its supposed to look like but I noticed that the is some kind of adjustment there it's just a bolt with a slot and a tap to lock it in place does anyone know what this is for
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The shift lever isn't bent I had just checked that a bit ago. I had a guy from work tell me to pull the right side cover and check everything in there. Dont really know what its supposed to look like but I noticed that the is some kind of adjustment there it's just a bolt with a slot and a tap to lock it in place does anyone know what this is for
That adjustment bolt is for gear shift free play on the clutch. You can try adjusting it to see if it makes a difference, but I am doubtful that it will help any. Once those are set during manufacturing, you just never have to touch it again.

And wheelsquad is 100% correct. If the problem is internal, your looking at having to completely pulling the engine and splitting the cases to inspect it and fix it.
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In the US, multiple OEM parts websites only show the one with H-L-R being available in 1997.
I keep forgetting about the difference in the USA and Canadian markets. Thanks for setting that straight.
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That adjustment bolt is for gear shift free play on the clutch. You can try adjusting it to see if it makes a difference, but I am doubtful that it will help any. Once those are set during manufacturing, you just never have to touch it again.

And wheelsquad is 100% correct. If the problem is internal, your looking at having to completely pulling the engine and splitting the cases to inspect it and fix it.
dezz you can probably set me straight on this if I'm wrong, but I suppose there is a slight chance that he could pull the right side covers and clutch assemblies without splitting the case and see if there is any issue with how the far side of #8 is engaging with the drum, #1?

https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/ya...cam-shift-fork

I'm thinking that's unlikely and most potential issues will be in the shift forks or drive and driven shafts in the transmission, between the cases. But pulling the right covers would have to be done before splitting the cases anyway?

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If I pull the right cover off what would I be looking at/for
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If I pull the right cover off what would I be looking at/for
I could try to describe through parts diagrams and such, but your best bet will be to download a service manual. tradebit.com looks like they have one. You want the factory service manual.

Also found this. You wouldn't need to have motor removed yet though. FF to 15:00 is where he takes off the right side cover. Then at about 17'ish minutes he pulls out the shift shaft and mechanism out. But you can also check where the shift shaft mechanism engages the shift drum. That should be looked over closely and he talks about it in vid 3/3 too.

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Artrax CTX 26-9-12's all around
on Rock A168 rims
JBS sheave - no shim
18 gram Dr Pulley overdrive sliders
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rear brake lever run in vertical orientation
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rear fender flares
Champion 3000 lb winch w/ synthetic rope
KFI 48" plow + wings
handlebar mounted light bar
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2004 Rancher AT
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4:25 on video 3/3 he mentions a common problem with the shift drum on these


Edit: he also talks about the shift drum breaking problem again at 13:45 after he splits the cases. Hopefully that isn't your problem...

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gripper seat cover
rear fender flares
Champion 3000 lb winch w/ synthetic rope
KFI 48" plow + wings
handlebar mounted light bar
homemade electric plow angle
homemade plow lifted height indicator

2004 Rancher AT
+ Lots of other Honda's in the family

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