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I do a lot of low speed towing with my Griz, the controller has helped for sure, also clutch work is where I really seen a gain.
Yes we do a lot of low speed rides pulling a small trailer with around 500 lbs of corn to deer feeders. When not tinkering on the hunting property we explore a lot on the Kansas Oklahoma border. We find old homesteads and different things. The Dalton gang used to rob trains there and we've been in a couple of their caves/hideouts. But we generally just cruise around 25-30 mph except in the deer woods. We want to go to a few ATV parks and go on long trail rides this summer.
 

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Clutch work? Thought Grizzly was know for there indestructible clutch.
They are, a lot of guys add different weights or shims to add low end performance after adding bigger tires or just for more responsive clutching. The 2019 up grizzly has 6% lower final drive gearing in the motor. My 2019 kodiak 700 EPS I wanted more low end driving slow thru the woods and on some rocky hills and a few little mud holes. I have no desire to bury my grizzly in huge mud holes so I haven't done anything to the clutching. I run stock size tires but Zillas instead of stock Maxxis tires and ITP wheels. The grizzly I don't have to put in low like I did my kodiak. I've only had it in low a couple of times on really slow stuff. My Griz is noticeable different in gearing, I can crawl thru in high where on my kodiak I would be in low wanting more response. But yes they're bullet. Some guys just modify for their style of riding. I'll leave mine stock ,maybe put grizzly weights in the wives kodiak but not sure on that yet.... she's already scary.....lol 😆
 

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They are, a lot of guys add different weights or shims to add low end performance after adding bigger tires or just for more responsive clutching. The 2019 up grizzly has 6% lower final drive gearing in the motor. My 2019 kodiak 700 EPS I wanted more low end driving slow thru the woods and on some rocky hills and a few little mud holes. I have no desire to bury my grizzly in huge mud holes so I haven't done anything to the clutching. I run stock size tires but Zillas instead of stock Maxxis tires and API wheels. The grizzly I don't have to put in low like I did my kodiak. I've only had it in low a couple of times on really slow stuff. My Griz is noticeable different in gearing, I can crawl thru in high where on my kodiak I would be in low wanting more response. But yes they're bullet. Some guys just modify for their style of riding. I'll leave mine stock ,maybe put grizzly weights in the wives kodiak but not sure on that yet.... she's already scary.....lol 😆
Ah ok thanks, learning alot. I had a 92 big bear before this and never did anything to it , thing us bulletproof! but sure is nice to have the power and comfortabilty of the Grizz. You running 26" tires?
 

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Is that on a Grizz 700?
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Ah ok thanks, learning alot. I had a 92 big bear before this and never did anything to it , thing us bulletproof! but sure is nice to have the power and comfortabilty of the Grizz. You running 26" tires?
Yes my 2021 came with stock Yamaha aluminum black wheels and 26 inch tires, I took my API wheels off my kodiak and put new 26 zillas on and put on the grizzly, I put the 25 zillas from my kodiak and put on the wives kodiak. My wheels have a little more offset so less tippy. And I don't like black wheels on my grizzly or my truck...lol
 

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Ah ok thanks, learning alot. I had a 92 big bear before this and never did anything to it , thing us bulletproof! but sure is nice to have the power and comfortabilty of the Grizz. You running 26" tires?
I had a Big Bear too, good machine and my wife had a Bear tracker 250. Hard to go wrong with Yamaha. It's nice not having to shift. When I got my 06 Bruin I was hooked on ultramatic from Yamaha....
 

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Ok I put on the wives tip today, I didn't tell her my opinion of the tip. It was 64 degrees and sunny, my wife said her 2021 kodiak 700 eps ran cooler because after 5 miles at 30 mph she said hers was running under 160 degrees . We drove thru our trails in the woods to go look for sheds, there's a little dirt mound she always tries to do wheelies, she's not very good but tries. As she came over the mound she gave it gas and her tires spun and she threw a roost, as we drove around slow she would goose it and throw dirt. Long story short when we got home I asked her if she noticed a difference with the tip. She said it runs cooler and has more pep. This is from a woman that has rode 4wheeler and motorcycle since a kid so I'm very pleased with the whiskey bent tip. 😁 Both our 4wheelers run a little cooler and have more snap down low, don't really know about top speed or anything else because we weren't trying for that Today.
You say you were running 160 degrees, how and what device are you using to gauge the bike temp? Im a new Grizz owner so still learning and would be nice to have something to gauge my bike running temp as I have a 2017 and apoarently they run lean.
 

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You say you were running 160 degrees, how and what device are you using to gauge the bike temp? Im a new Grizz owner so still learning and would be nice to have something to gauge my bike running temp as I have a 2017 and apoarently they run lean.
Our quads have complete gauges with temp gauge. I'm sure yours is running fine. If you're worried get a tuner for it. They say yours does run lean but it's not dangerous lean. Block your AIS 1st, see if that helps a little. Then if you want get a tuner. It's all about dependability and fun and what you think you need. 😉
 

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Oh yes very nice not shifting, wife will even be able to drive it.. maybe have to set the throttle adjstment screw for her though..
I don't think you'll have to set the throttle screw, just teach her good. What's bad is you can bet she'll be wanting one next. If I get one so does the wife. I started her on a 250 now she's on a New kodiak 700. My wife hunts and fishes with me, she helped with the race car. It's nice she does stuff with me but expensive 😫 lol. I get a new bow she gets a bow, gun whatever. But it's great because I don't have a mad wife at home she's always with me. 😉
 

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Our quads have complete gauges with temp gauge. I'm sure yours is running fine. If you're worried get a tuner for it. They say yours does run lean but it's not dangerous lean. Block your AIS 1st, see if that helps a little. Then if you want get a tuner. It's all about dependability and fun and what you think you need. 😉
Built in temp gauges nice ! Only took it out for 2 little rides so didnt know this. Definetely blocking to AIS asap. Thanks for the info!
 

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I don't think you'll have to set the throttle screw, just teach her good. What's bad is you can bet she'll be wanting one next. If I get one so does the wife. I started her on a 250 now she's on a New kodiak 700. My wife hunts and fishes with me, she helped with the race car. It's nice she does stuff with me but expensive 😫 lol. I get a new bow she gets a bow, gun whatever. But it's great because I don't have a mad wife at home she's always with me. 😉
Lol pros and cons 🙂
 

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Our quads have complete gauges with temp gauge. I'm sure yours is running fine. If you're worried get a tuner for it. They say yours does run lean but it's not dangerous lean. Block your AIS 1st, see if that helps a little. Then if you want get a tuner. It's all about dependability and fun and what you think you need. 😉
Also that was a day under 70 degrees, I'm sure when it's in the 90s they will be running around 200. If you think your fan is running to much it's fine it's designed to come on around 206 and it's doing its job.
 

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Built in temp gauges nice ! Only took it out for 2 little rides so didnt know this. Definetely blocking to AIS asap. Thanks for the info!
That's why she traded in her 2019 kodiak 450 for her 2021 kodiak EPS 700, it has better gauge and dif lock. Also I think the 700 gets better fuel mileage than her 450 because she always used a lot of gas. She had to give more throttle to keep up with me just cruising so she used more gas. Her 700 looks almost exactly like her 450. Beige with camo accents. She loves it. My Griz is all camo .
 

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That's why she traded in her 2019 kodiak 450 for her 2021 kodiak EPS 700, it has better gauge and dif lock. Also I think the 700 gets better fuel mileage than her 450 because she always used a lot of gas. She had to give more throttle to keep up with me just cruising so she used more gas. Her 700 looks almost exactly like her 450. Beige with camo accents. She loves it. My Griz is all camo .
Nice. Ya dont see much difference between the kodiak and grizzly. Camo woul of been my first choice but werent any in the market so found a black one. Happy riding, summer is around the corner!!🙂
 

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Nice. Ya dont see much difference between the kodiak and grizzly. Camo woul of been my first choice but werent any in the market so found a black one. Happy riding, summer is around the corner!!🙂
Here in Oklahoma we ride year around, happy trails. Any questions you have the guys on here can probably answer it. Bunch of good guys on this site.
 

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Clutch work? Thought Grizzly was know for there indestructible clutch.
Yamaha clutches are the best in the business, where I tow alot in rough terrain I added a machined sheave and changed my secondary spring to a purple spring rate which means different upshifting for the clutch, so in saying that your factory stock gear ratio starting out is 2.45 to 1, mine is now 3 to 1 starting off, kinda gives me that creeper gear in low for towing in challenging terrain, this also can be accomplished by using shims in your primary clutch but you will loose some top end speed 2-3 mph, the machined sheave you don't loose top end, you can find the Vid on this on youtube, just type in Coops45, that is the clutch set up I have.
 

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Yeah, the new 686's have a totally different fuel map than the 708's it seems.
It stands to reason the fuel map will absolutely be different.

EHS first started putting information out there about how lean the 2014 Grizzly 700 was. And that instantly put a lot of "fear" in people that look things up online about the Grizzly 700. I'm also not saying it was entirely on EHS for that.

Now, I'm not saying EHS is wrong with saying the 686cc engine, starting in 2014, can run lean in certain throttle positions. It very well could have been his experience at about 200 some odd feet of elevation where his shop is. What I can tell you with certainty is when I purchased an EHS FI tuner for my 2014, I was told by Eric I should be running roughly the same map that is pre-programmed into the tuner even for my elevation, which where I live is 8000 feet and I absolutely mentioned that. I did not install the EHS tuner until after I got my wideband AFR installed and then installed both. Where I ride, my Grizzly 700 does not ever run lean without a tuner as I still have the FI tuner installed but basically have almost all of the settings turned off (down). I have been contemplating removing it as it is doing nothing for me.

Again, I'm not saying EHS is wrong in his statements in what he has found in terms of AFR and saying some of the machines run lean, at the altitude he is taking his measurements at. What I am saying is make sure you understand environmental conditions play into ICE and AFR and Eric was absolutely wrong when it came to his recommendations saying my machine will still be running lean at elevation... I have a meter that proves it does not. I have never used my 2014 Grizzly at an altitude any lower than about 5600 feet so I do not have data near sea level to know what happens there.

By the way, the new 686cc is actually the same top and bottom end starting in 2014. Same AIS, header pipe, exhaust but the air intake is different. If I recall correctly, there are also different ECUs.
 
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It stands to reason the fuel map will absolutely be different.

EHS first started putting information out there about how lean the 2014 Grizzly 700 was. And that instantly put a lot of "fear" in people that look things up online about the Grizzly 700. I'm also not saying it was entirely on EHS for that.

Now, I'm not saying EHS is wrong with saying the 686cc engine, starting in 2014, can run lean in certain throttle positions. It very well could have been his experience at about 200 some odd feet of elevation where his shop is. What I can tell you with certainty is when I purchased an EHS FI tuner for my 2014, I was told by Eric I should be running roughly the same map that is pre-programmed into the tuner even for my elevation, which where I live is 8000 feet and I absolutely mentioned that. I did not install the EHS tuner until after I got my wideband AFR installed and then installed both. Where I ride, my Grizzly 700 does not ever run lean without a tuner as I still have the FI tuner installed but basically have almost all of the settings turned off (down). I have been contemplating removing it as it is doing nothing for me.

Again, I'm not saying EHS is wrong in his statements in what he has found in terms of AFR and saying some of the machines run lean, at the altitude he is taking his measurements at. What I am saying is make sure you understand environmental conditions play into ICE and AFR and Eric was absolutely wrong when it came to his recommendations saying my machine will still be running lean at elevation... I have a meter that proves it does not. I have never used my 2014 Grizzly at an altitude any lower than about 5600 feet so I do not have data near sea level to know what happens there.

By the way, the new 686cc is actually the same top and bottom end starting in 2014. Same AIS, header pipe, exhaust but the air intake is different. If I recall correctly, there are also different ECUs.
Well said sir, guessing without a AFR gauge is all your doing is guessing. I've seen other videos where people had the gauge installed and said they weren't running lean. I think it's KC atv on a 2015 grizzly.
 
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