Welcome from Colorado.
Get a 700.
Get a 700.
Welcome to GC from Maine. If you can find a 700 in the right condition for the right price, go for it. They are pretty much the best trail riding machine out there. Very little difference in size physically from the 450, much more torque and power for those time when you want or need it. Virtually unlimited availability in parts for upgrading or modifying from stock if you want to. Starting in 2010 Yamaha had rectified a couple issues that some of the '07 to '09 had, so 2010 up is a good range to look for. Have fun!I live in the PNW and plan on using my quad for mostly trail riding and exploring on Jeep trails or forest roads. I have been looking for a reasonably priced 450 and I’m having trouble finding one. Lots of 700s for sale though. I see people say that the 700 is a much bigger machine so I’d avoided them.
I happened to look at the dimensions on Yamaha’s website and they aren’t really much different at all.
Does anyone here have one of each? Can someone explain why everyone recommends the smaller 450 for trails when it would appear that the 700 is virtually the same size? Is it the turning radius or am I missing something else?
Thanks for any input or advice. Pictures of the two side by side would be awesome as well!
The '07 and '08 did not have a cooling line to the stator( generator). Many go thousands of miles with no problem. But many have experienced pre-mature stator burnout especially when idled a lot with a high amp draw, like when winching, or a lot of slow crawling in higher temperatures. Many guys run their oil level about 1/8" high on the dip stick which allows the oil to splash up onto the stator better and keep it cool. Yamaha re-designed the stator cover for the 2009 model year to fix the problem. I am not as familiar with the other issue, but I think there is some kind of vent in the power steering motor that can let water get in under the right conditions which can cause corrosion and failure. I never run mine in deep water so I think mine will be fine. Apparently Yamaha solved that issue for the 2010 model year. The upgrade to the stator can be done by anyone with average mechanical skill for about $400 including a new heavy duty stator. I don't know about the power steering fix, but I do not hear or see much about that on this forum, so I think it is not a very common problem. The 07 Grizzly is a fine machine, and if you can leverage this knowledge to get an even better price then do some upgrades yourself, you still win. Or, just keep your search to a newer model.What issues did the older 700s have that the 2010+ resolved? I’ve got a line on a very reasonably priced ‘07 700...
I'd go with the 700 everyday of the week. Just know what you are comfortable riding and go for it, and if you don't know what it is, then lace up your boots and make sure you can make it or turn around and don't get hurt.I think my main concern was the physical size of a 700 as well as turning radius for sharper turns.
My friend recent got a steal of a deal in a 2005 Rancher 350 which is even smaller than a Grizzly 450 and he took it up some single track motorcycle type trails and he said it wasn’t an issue but a big machine might have a lot of trouble. just don’t want to end up with something that can’t go where I want to go. The more I think on it the more I realize that it would mostly be used on Jeep or Toyota style 4x4 trails and the 700 would obviously fit fine.
We don’t have much mud here, even though everyone thinks all it does it rain. The trails are mostly technical trails with roots, rocks, off camber situations, switchbacks, etc.
hey @OpDawg, do you know how big of a deal it is to change out the '08 eps unit to the sealed unit? and cost$? I might do that at some point if it's not another $1000.
When I was having trouble with my EPS I considered changing to the new vent less motor and it seemed like it was going to cost like $900!! I didn't shop around much because I found the thread about putting WD-40 or the like down the tube to lube the gears. I've been doing that now for a couple of years and just consider it part of my routine maintenance. My EPS works awesome as long as I keep it lubed up.hey @OpDawg, do you know how big of a deal it is to change out the '08 eps unit to the sealed unit? and cost$? I might do that at some point if it's not another $1000.
My experience on when my EPS went out it didn't steer like a regular quad. It was like I was turning against the electric motor or something like when a car with PS goes out. My buddies Grizzly don't have PS and steers way more easier than mine did when it went out.[Better] sealed power steering unit, changed mid year 2009. Older model would leak (through vent) and rust out resulting in no power steering, it would still steer like a regular quad, though.
@jvictory1974, thanks for the tip. Mine is working fine, but I am going to find that vent and keep it lubed. I like to do preventative maintenance much better than breaking down on the trail.When I was having trouble with my EPS I considered changing to the new vent less motor and it seemed like it was going to cost like $900!! I didn't shop around much because I found the thread about putting WD-40 or the like down the tube to lube the gears. I've been doing that now for a couple of years and just consider it part of my routine maintenance. My EPS works awesome as long as I keep it lubed up.