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I've traded my 2007 for a 2017 grizzly and I've outfitted it with a winch and plow mount so I can use it on both machines. My old unit was mid mount so I had no choice if they were to be interchangeable. I have noted some discussion on how the pulley makes the plow system a little better and is easier on the winch. Would this also be true for the mid mount systems or more specific to those with front mounts? I'm not dissatisfied and actually like with the way it operates but I wouldn't mind less stress on the winch or anything else.

Basically, I'm not sure what people dislike now that the pulley fixes. Having a mid mount might be why.

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I've traded my 2007 for a 2017 grizzly and I've outfitted it with a winch and plow mount so I can use it on both machines. My old unit was mid mount so I had no choice if they were to be interchangeable. I have noted some discussion on how the pulley makes the plow system a little better and is easier on the winch. Would this also be true for the mid mount systems or more specific to those with front mounts? I'm not dissatisfied and actually like with the way it operates but I wouldn't mind less stress on the winch or anything else.

Basically, I'm not sure what people dislike now that the pulley fixes. Having a mid mount might be why.

Thanks.
mid or front mount shouldn't make that much difference. though front mount do look like the amount of weight for the winch to lift would be more. (or the leverage on it being more, since they stick forward further)

whether mid or front, pulley or not, you should always back away from the pile a few inches before trying to lift the blade. this is the single biggest thing you can do to reduce the load on your winch.

when it comes to the pulley, lots of guys use it to reduce load on the winch. but just as many guys also use it to reduce the sensitivity at which you raise and lower the blade. i could definitely see that being a benefit for guys with top-of-the-line winches with higher line speeds. i personally don't use a pulley because i have a really slow winch, and it would be obnoxiously slow if i were to use a pulley. as long as i back away from the snow i just piled just a tad, my winch has zero problem lifting the blade, even without the pulley.

so before you add a pulley, ask yourself how you like your ability to control blade lift speed.
 
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There are also hydronic options as well that may be able to move from 07-17 and would eliminate the use of the plow all together. I have never used one but I know a few who do and they like them. I prefer the front mount and they don’t raise high enough to make it worth it for the front mount. That may be an option worth exploring if you want to have no stress on the winch.

I’m new so I can’t post the link but try looking up the warn provantage plow lift.

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mid or front mount shouldn't make that much difference. though front mount do look like the amount of weight for the winch to lift would be more. (or the leverage on it being more, since they stick forward further)

whether mid or front, pulley or not, you should always back away from the pile a few inches before trying to lift the blade. this is the single biggest thing you can do to reduce the load on your winch.

when it comes to the pulley, lots of guys use it to reduce load on the winch. but just as many guys also use it to reduce the sensitivity at which you raise and lower the blade. i could definitely see that being a benefit for guys with top-of-the-line winches with higher line speeds. i personally don't use a pulley because i have a really slow winch, and it would be obnoxiously slow if i were to use a pulley. as long as i back away from the snow i just piled just a tad, my winch has zero problem lifting the blade, even without the pulley.

so before you add a pulley, ask yourself how you like your ability to control blade lift speed.
If it's more about control than wear and tear, I'll skip the pulley. I have a warn and a superwinch and both are plenty fast and easy to control. They certainly aren't too fast. I've never had any troubles at all but just thought if there was stress that could be greatly reduced on my winch, a pulley would be fine.

Much like you indicated, I did start to think the mid mount would a little different with the pivot point being so far back. Just appears that it makes a difference on that alone...but thought I'd ask.

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There are also hydronic options as well that may be able to move from 07-17 and would eliminate the use of the plow all together. I have never used one but I know a few who do and they like them. I prefer the front mount and they don’t raise high enough to make it worth it for the front mount. That may be an option worth exploring if you want to have no stress on the winch.

I’m new so I can’t post the link but try looking up the warn provantage plow lift.

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I already have the plow and winches and that seems to work fine. It's certainly cheaper this way, too.
 

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The pulley reduce the force on the winch rope or cable. If your cable is say at a 45° angle to the ground when lifting the winch pulls the plow back against the plow mounts. With the pulley the cable can be closer to 90° angle where it basically just lifts the plow.
 

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The pulley reduce the force on the winch rope or cable. If your cable is say at a 45° angle to the ground when lifting the winch pulls the plow back against the plow mounts. With the pulley the cable can be closer to 90° angle where it basically just lifts the plow.
Makes sense. Is there anything different about a mid mount versus a front mount that makes this more important on a front mount? Seems like this wasn't something people were doing before a front mount setup was available.
 

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J...There are hundreds of post about plow and winch problems. Check it out.
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I've read tons of them. I've read tons of them on other forums, too. I really don't have a problem, just curios about people's opinions on the differences, if any, the style of mount creates in relation to the torque on the winch. I haven't really found anything that talks about the relationship between the two. Maybe there isn't.

I've read that many thought the winch speed was too fast for accuracy and a pulley fixed that. Mine is fine. I've read that the pulley that comes with some warn setups up is plastic junk. That isn't my problem as it didn't come with one. I've read that the blade raises much higher with a pulley, but that seems specific to front mounts. Mine isn't that and raises high enough for what I do. I've read about people breaking their winch lines. I had that problem on my warn winch with synthetic rope but it wasn't constant and an easy fix. My new winch is steel cable - no problem, yet. Again, I see many people going to these pulleys when it seems they didn't use them before. I'm wondering if those with mid mounts feel the same desire to correct something that others do that corrected something...and exactly what needs to be corrected in their mind. I've also noted where people that changed to a pulley thought this might be detrimental to their front rack, based on the set up, but none of them talked about the torque on that in relation to the mount type either.

I'm ok with my setup in every way but what I don't know is how much the wear on the winch is changed and especially in relation to one mount system over another. Trying to decide if it can be better.

I'm completely cool if someone wants to comment or doesn't want to comment but mostly looking for those with direct experience/thoughts that want to share.

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To reiterate my original post and to confirm what reogem says, the pulley DOES greatly reduce the force on the winch. I just haven't found reducing the force to be necessary, at least on my setup. But I also have a fairly perpendicular lift on the plow rope. Every setup is different.
 

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To reiterate my original post and to confirm what reogem says, the pulley DOES greatly reduce the force on the winch. I just haven't found reducing the force to be necessary, at least on my setup. But I also have a fairly perpendicular lift on the plow rope. Every setup is different.
Anything to the idea that as the style of mounts changed so food the necessity to reduce torque on the components?
 

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I have used a mid-mount on the last two ATV's ( 400 and 660), the 17 Griz will get its chance if we ever get expected winter snow dumps, been a very dry winter so far. The one thing noticed is the universal mid-mount plates sits farther back and is shortening the distance from the front to the plow. I will take a better look after the season, maybe a little welding as a long push tube comes in handy. I can get deep snow in my microclimate. 2003 had 9 Ft and it was time to shovel.


On each of my plow blades I will either bolt a pulley to the blade assembly and the hook goes to the front rack. It would also work to put the pulley on the rack to the blade for a mechanical advantage as long as it clears the front bumper (steel cable). A mechanical advantage is always preferred. The 660 had 13 yrs of plowing on the same cable.
If you decide to go this route, best to put a reinforced piece of steel to prevent rack sagging.


The big advantage to me using the rack is the push tubes will nest to the bottom of the frame for ground clearance. I happened to be at a dealer yesterday for a oil filter and looked at the front mounted plows, clearance when retracted was not sufficient for my conditions.


This is what one might see any morning at 9.000 ft, sorry if flipped.
 

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Good thoughts. I've been thinking of adding a two pulley setup if I do anything. Instead of mounting it to the rack, I may take a long piece of steel and putting a pulley on each end of running it up and down to the front of the atv. I'll have to think about it a little more. I may well do nothing, too. It works. Just seems like it is a lot of torque on the winch....and probably more on a front mount.
 
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